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ETS fight could cost Nats a Senate seat

28 May, 2009 10:49 AM
THE Nationals could lose a Senate spot if their vote against an emissions trading scheme triggers an early election.

The Coalition this week announced it would push for a delay on the legislation of the Government's proposed carbon pollution reduction scheme until after a global meeting on climate change in Copenhagen later this year.

A delay in the vote until after Copenhagen will, in the eyes of the courts, effectively see it defeated.

The issue is looking more and more like a double dissolution trigger because Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has refused to delay the Bill and will push ahead to have it introduced next month regardless.

The Coalition offered what leader Malcolm Turnbull called "united" bipartisan support for the Government's emission reduction targets, but wants a vote on the legislation and the detail on how to reach those targets left until the global meeting.

The Coalition says it is also important to wait and see how the United States proposes to deal with emissions, and argues there is no imperative for the Government to have this Bill introduced in June.

The Nationals have vowed to vote against the legislation now and later if kept in its current form because the financial impacts on regional areas, farmers and miners will be disastrous, they say.

The joint-party room decision to push for a delay effectively vindicates The Nationals long-standing opposition to the emissions trading legislation, but could ultimately cost them in the Senate if the climate change issue triggers a double dissolution and early election, as widely expected.

If an early election is called, either late this year or early next year, all Senate spots will be decided instead of the usual half-Senate election.

In this event, it is most likely only one of the NSW Nationals Senators Fiona Nash or John Williams would make it through on a NSW Coalition ticket.

Nationals Leader in the Senate, Barnaby Joyce, said a delay in the vote until after Copenhagen, if the Parliament goes through all the appropriate processes, would be a vote against it.

"You cannot be more definitive than to vote against the scheme to say you don't believe in it," Senator Joyce said.

"It is a ridiculous scheme, it is a scheme of political tokenism and opportunism that does nothing…it is just a gesture, and for gestures I will not vote.

"Accepting the targets is one thing, but we have to look at how we get to those targets – we're not signing ourselves up for anything."

He told Canberra journalists on Tuesday it would be "highly unlikely" that The Nationals would ever vote for a cap and trade system.

Senator Joyce would not say how much consideration was given to the prospect of a double dissolution when reaching the position of delaying the vote, but confirmed The Nationals had everything to lose if an early poll was called.

He said an early election would be "extremely bad" for The Nationals in the Senate, and conceded Senator Nash or Williams, or both, could lose their jobs.

"You've got to do what's right," Senator Joyce said.

"This is a program that will cut a swathe through the economy of regional Australia and through Australia as a whole.

"In time people will obviously treasure their jobs rather than a gesture that will do nothing for the climate.

"We have more political skin in this game than most.

"This is the thing that could bring about the loss of a job of some of my colleagues…

"But do you do things in here that are right or do you do things in here that are politically expedient?"

NSW Nationals Senator John Williams said he accepted that voting down an ETS could cost him his job, but he would rather that than "betraying" rural people.

"I would rather walk out of this place with a clear conscience knowing I've voted against a policy that will the rural economy, rather than betraying my constituents to save my job," Senator Williams said.

"Rural people come before my job."

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If Australia goes it alone on an ETS with no commitment from the rest of the world, especially the big emitters (China and India), then we are simply crucifying Australians, especially rural industry, for absolutly no benefit to anyone.

Thank God the Nats have got the guts to stand up for their constituents instead of worrying about their seats. Australia would be a better place if there were a few more politicians prepared to call a spade a spade and put their money where their mouths are.

Posted by Bob, 28/05/2009 5:51:00 AM
Please, Bob, how about doing some of your own research. Australia would not be the first country to implement an ETS. Others have. Look at the UK as a good example.

The US just passed a bill in its first step towards implementing an ETS that will reduce greenhouse gas emissions 17 per cent below 2005 levels by 2020.

What the Nationals need to realise is the majority of people support efforts to address climate change.

Internationally, Australia is being viewed as being hypercritical and a pariah by some countries, most notably in the EU and India.

We are the worst emitters per capita, so don’t you think we should begin trying to reduce our footprint? If we don’t do something, have the Nationals thought about how the international community may instead act? Our exports could face tariffs to make them comparable with those countries that are actively working to reduce their footprint.

Agriculture can benefit from an ETS but needs to engage in the policy making rather than simply opposing and being viewed redundant or a speed bump to go over. Ww need to look forward and position ourselves on how to benefit.

This is why the Nationals continue to loose in Qld, not because Labor wins but because Nationals cannot understand or engage the wider electorate.

The majority rules.

Posted by Ag & Nationals need to engage, 28/05/2009 7:30:16 AM
Are the Liberals so pathetic that they cannot make a policy decision without the Americans?
Posted by the lorax, 28/05/2009 7:57:22 AM
You cannot expect Barnaby to ever say if we go to a double dissolution on this that the Nats or Libs will get more seats.

It is the common sense thing to say, but they could also gain more seats, too. Especially if people stop listening to the Latte-sipping socialist commentators and listen to reason and not spin.

The people are waking up to the fact that everything this government is doing has and will hurt the economy and jobs and more.

Posted by Alan Mears, 28/05/2009 8:18:13 AM
If Barnaby is not prepared to support this because it is a "token gesture" that does nothing. Would he support one with higher reductions?

Far better to wait until someone else does something first ... but isn't that why there is no Doha free trade agreement?

Posted by Farmer Dave, 28/05/2009 8:51:47 AM
A reasonable person may assume that placing something like the ETS into legislation (law), which, even if it is implemented to its fullest extent, will have absolutely no impact on the intended outcome or target on a world dimension.

So then there would little point in legislating it in the first place.

A reasonable person may also assume that another path needs to be approached. If, on the other hand, it is only going to be legislated as a perceived showpiece for the purposes of world recognition, then the burdens of the legislation over the people must either be rendered ineffective or sun-setted.

In this case, a reasonable person may again assume that another path needs to be approached.

Posted by Dr Bob, 28/05/2009 11:57:46 AM
An ETS in the current form is unfair and unjust. Maybe some of you people (Ag Nationals need to engage) need to listen to the fact that we (rural) are going to be shafted again.

The real emitters are you people in the city who will rely on agriculture and forestry to absorb your carbon footprint and will enable you to continue to have your computer per person, your plasma TVs, while agriculture, which puts food on your table and clothes on your back, will bear the brunt of this scheme.

It is about time the majority took a look at what the minority are doing to prop this country - those who will handle the CO2 problem this country has decided it has developed.

Posted by Sam, 28/05/2009 1:08:41 PM
If the Nats did lose votes, it would be the typical " common sense and reality", losing out to city green ignorance. Emissions need to be reduced, but it is the rural sector that gets it in the neck every time.
Posted by R, 28/05/2009 1:10:57 PM
Let's say we do need to reduce emissions, the path being decided will put us back to caveman days. If coal and emissions from our vehicles are choking the country as some say then we need to look at proper alternatives for power production and I am not referring to namby pamby schemes such as wind or solar. To reduce our so called footprint there is only one answer and that is nuclear, or we go back to days without our air conditioners, computers, plasma TVs. Not building more power generators is only putting extra strain on already depleted electricity systems, have a look at each State to see when the last power plant was built? Victoria & South Australia between them had 400 deaths because the power generators couldn't cope during the extra demand of summer just gone. Not only do we have governments that are willing to keep killing our old and fragile because of their green policies they are going to put all of you on the street jobless. This is not about copying what other countries do, such as the USA, but is looking at what they are not going to do, why should a mere 20 million people suffer great extremes when countries like China, India & America do nothing to curb their emissions?
Posted by Alan Mears, 28/05/2009 3:46:58 PM
One commentator above says we need to look forward and see how we can benefit from an ETS. I'm sorry but how are we expected to do this when firstly agriculture is excluded, except that we will have the ETS costs applied to our fuels and inputs at the commencement of any ETS?

Secondly, the government has already claimed the benefit of locking up tree regrowth on land historically used for broad scale agriculture and refused to allow any claim or benefit for achieving a major drop in emmissions for Australia as a whole.

Thirdly the big question. Can man change the climate either way? If he can't, an ETS will be very destructive to Australia where we rely on truck transport in many respects to "run" the country.

If Autralians expect the impact of a 10pc reduction in Australia to be the same as 10pc reduction in the EU they are sadly mistaken.

Australia is not the same as the EU:-

a) We have no manufacturing industry producing equipment to produce energy from clean souces.

b) We have no nuclear power.

c) We have sparse population and produce goods miles from markets.

d) Our geothermal industry is still a cot case.

Posted by John Michelmore, 28/05/2009 6:31:20 PM
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