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Coalition climate hardliners stand firm

18 Nov, 2009 05:47 AM
MALCOLM Turnbull is struggling to contain his truculent party room, with about 10 MPs defiantly demanding they not be railroaded over the emissions trading bill.

Mr Turnbull also faced fresh problems with his Senate leader, Nick Minchin, a climate hardliner, again making provocative comments.

Senator Minchin told Sky News he didn't know how anyone who had studied the science could think the climate issue was settled, and the issue was "manna from heaven" for deep-green groups that were hostile to many of the things for which Western society stood.

He said he would abide by whatever the party room decided but dodged a question on whether he would abide by what shadow cabinet agreed on. He said the Government would have to come "a long way" towards meeting the Opposition's amendments before the party room would consider supporting the bills, and accused the Government of breaching good faith negotiations by announcing its concessions on agriculture pre-emptively.

With negotiations possibly stretching into next week, MPs at the Coalition parties meeting complained they wouldn't have enough time to consider any proposed deal, while some want it to go to the party room before the shadow cabinet considers it.

The hardliners at the meeting included six Liberals and four Nationals. Three Nationals - their Senate leader Barnaby Joyce, Fiona Nash and Ron Boswell - said they would vote against the scheme, regardless of what the party room decided. Another National, John Forrest, said the bills should be killed.

Liberals Mathias Cormann, Wilson Tuckey, Dennis Jensen, Mitch Fifield and Bronwyn Bishop called for checks to prevent the shadow cabinet forcing a deal on a reluctant party room.

Negotiator Ian Macfarlane said he and Climate Change Minister Penny Wong wanted the talks finished by Monday but could extend to mid-week. The Government has agreed to exclude agricultural emissions indefinitely, but Mr Macfarlane said there had not been all that much done on other issues.

Dr Jensen told the meeting any deal should go to the party room before it went to shadow cabinet, a position supported by Bronwyn Bishop. He said later: "If there is a shadow cabinet decision before the party room meeting, many people will be reluctant to state their actual beliefs on the issue."

Mr Tuckey called for a secret ballot.

Senator Fifield was concerned that after five weeks of negotiations there would be inadequate time for the party room to consider the results of the negotiations. In a humorous but pointed message, he also noted the Sunday Age cartoon with a naked Macfarlane and Wong depicted as Adam and Eve and warned Mr Macfarlane to "avoid policy temptation".

At the Coalition meeting, deputy Opposition leader Julie Bishop said energy security also needed to be debated. She said Australia was the only G20 country without nuclear energy.

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Stand your ground, we do not need another TAX.
Posted by jerangle, 18/11/2009 8:17:22 AM, on The Land
All in disagreeance will be bribed or bought out; those who were against will all of a sudden be in total agreeance - that's politics. They all lie to suit their party line.
Posted by shaun, 18/11/2009 10:39:46 AM, on Farm Weekly
Senator Minchin has been studying from the GW Bush/John Howard book of propaganda...that is label anything anti-right as anti-Western. Talk about arrogance. The Cold War ended almost 20 years ago, so anyone who actually buys this "anti-Western" argument rubbish needs to get their heads checked. ....Plus, how is working for the betterment of the planet, "anti-Western"?
Posted by Annoyed Youth, 18/11/2009 3:32:58 PM, on Stock & Land
Wake up to yourself Annoyed Youth, or you will soon be a hungry and unemployed youth. Pull your head out of the sand and look at the facts - this sort of political scam has happened in the past and we need to learn from history.
Posted by Concerned Northerner, 19/11/2009 7:05:41 AM, on Queensland Country Life
Global brain-wash springs to mind, of which our annoyed one seems an exemplary example, the facts are not cast in concrete yet kiddo! C'mon Bushie, out with one of your smarty pants bullant down with the Nationals & non believer party line tirades, of which we mostly all have come to expect from your completely one sided points of view.
Posted by yofussn, 19/11/2009 8:04:40 AM, on The Land
annoyed youth obviously has no idea. I am unsure how some people get their ideas. This bill needs to be killed. Good on those standing strong against it. Must say todays comments much more positive, rather than having bushie and tigerdicky whinging constantly on here.
Posted by TG, 19/11/2009 10:07:55 AM, on The Land
To the dissidents... Do what it takes to win the next election then "adjust" the policy into the round file over in the corner on the floor.
Posted by AJ, 19/11/2009 10:11:08 AM, on The Land
Will someone please explain to Macfarlane and Turnbull that every single one of the IPCC emission projections that have been used to justify rushing into climate folly assumes that by 2100 all of Africa, all of Latin America, All of the Middle East, and all of Asia, including Bangladesh, will not only overtake the OECD countries in GDP, but exceed it. This would have to be the most incredibly stupid, unrealistic long shot ever incorporated into a formal policy process. Yet the morons in the IPCC have given it the status of a constant, an absolute certainty. There is absolutely no excuse for muttering about the integrity of the climate "muddles" when such a bull$#@t assumption perverts the entire process. The need for urgent action on climate change will only begin to be credible when every single one of the developing nations has posted a full decade of 7% annual growth in GDP. And Turnbull has the gall to pass himself off as economically literate.
Posted by Ian Mott, 19/11/2009 10:23:21 AM, on Queensland Country Life
It is good to hear that there are honest people in the Liberal party who are not supporting Turnbull in his effort to support his banking cronies.
Posted by Len, 19/11/2009 12:14:11 PM, on Farm Weekly
Don't worry, Annoyed Youth, I'll still be here to feed you. I wonder, given the vitriol and wild exaggerations of some of these posts, if certain individuals realise they are being as alarmist as the alarmists they intend to deride.

As a 'traditional' Coalition supporter, I am seriously concerned that a divided Coalition could lose even more seats in an early election. I would much rather Hockey than the out-of-his-depth Swan at the helm of our economy, but the current seeming chasm between members of the Coalition makes that ever more unlikely.

And a gain of more Labor Senate seats ain't good for our democracy. I for one am glad Turnbull is making a go of negotiating with the government.

Posted by GT, 19/11/2009 3:19:17 PM, on The Land
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Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull and the Liberals' climate negotiator Ian Macfarlane.
Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull and the Liberals' climate negotiator Ian Macfarlane.
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