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Lively debate flows from FarmOnline 4WD story

07 Jan, 2009 12:56 AM
Yesterday's FarmOnline article saying farmers have rejected calls for 4WDs to be banned from city and suburban roads has sparked extensive, lively debate among our subscribers.

The article, published under the heading Farmers reject calls for 4WD ban, reported on a survey conducted by McCrindle Research on attitudes to driving in Australia.

We have published 22 of these comments underneath the original article.

The McCrindle Research has found that three in five Australians are against 4WDs and sports utility vehicles (SUVs) being used for regular driving.

Respondents to the survey called for 4WD's to be forced away from schools and only used out of town "where they belong".

Concerns included that the large vehicles had numerous blind spots and were a danger to pedestrians and other road users. Four-wheel drives were also branded environmentally irresponsible.

However, rural group AgForce said banning four-wheel drives from the city would disadvantage those who have a genuine need to drive off-road vehicles.

Four wheel drives are absolutely essential for country people because they are robust, reliable and safer when driving on a rural road network that is often in need of upgrading.

AgForce president John Cotter said given the decline in road infrastructure, it is arguable that 4WD vehicles are needed more than they ever were.

He said calls to ban 4WDs and SUVs for regular driving are unrealistic.

“Where would the line be drawn in regional cities such as Townsville or Toowoomba which are large rural service centres,” Mr Cotter asked.

“At a time like this with global economic turmoil, there are greater and more significant issues to deal with than this.

“The fact is that 4WDs will outlast conventional vehicles by three to one under similar driving conditions and that is what we need in the bush.”

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We can't get to town without a 4WD. The roads in rural Aust are a disgrace. Even the bitumen has 6" potholes in it.

Perhaps we should ask: does an urban housewife really need a 4WD to pick up some milk and drop the kids at school? 4WDs are a safety feature that people in the bush cant live without.

We certainly can't afford to have a little bubble car parked on the edge of town so we can swap cars.

Posted by country girl, 6/01/2009 7:08:03 PM
This is one of those claytons ideas. Getting rid of drunks and hoons, poor roads and roadside trees, that would do a whole lot more.
Posted by THE FARMER, 7/01/2009 1:05:39 AM
Is it April fools day?
Posted by jerangle, 7/01/2009 6:11:09 AM
These calls are based on common jealousy, not on any practical basis. For example, a Prado has very similar dimensions to a conventional wagon and is more manouveable. It also gives much better forward and side visibility.


Posted by Ted O'Brien, 7/01/2009 6:39:14 AM
Perhaps these same people want to ban all vehicles including busses and trucks from suburban streets as well. How can people afford to maintain multiple vehicles designed specifically for each use they have. Perhaps the idiots that McCrindle Research surveyed should all go out and buy walking shoes and get rid of whatever vehicle they currently have and set an example for the rest of us. I think not.
Posted by 4wd Owner, 7/01/2009 8:47:49 AM
Fully agree with country girl and there is an advantage with the highter 4WDs in the towns. We feel you can see around more, being higher then sitting so low in a car, where you cannot see kids etc as well.
Posted by realist, 7/01/2009 8:58:09 AM
Living in Mareeba and on a farm, it is a necessity to have a 4WD. What do you drive when you get 50mm of rain in a couple of hours, day in and day out?

I suppose the state government can always set up big car parks at the edge of big towns - Cairns and Townsville come to mind - so that we can park a little "pedestrian environment and whales-friendly car", build it and charge nothing for the first few months, claim the financial meltdown, start charging for parking there, $20 per day and make some more money.

Again somebody is setting it up to make money, I would not be surprised.

Posted by Peter, 7/01/2009 9:07:51 AM
Again, another 4WD beat-up (must be a quiet news week?).

Why the hell should we four wheelers be made to feel "guilty" about our chosen means of transport? We drive them because they are safer - if we get 'hit', we have a far greater chance of survival. Why shouldn't we protect ourselves and our families. You can see further ahead, you have greater anticipation to avoid an accident.

Critics talk of "blind spots - we can't see around them". What about vans - many of which are bigger than most 4WDs. We don't hear calls for the banning of them, or trucks - or heaven help us - buses. Hello!

And as for the argument that only people in the bush should drive them - why should we, in the suburbs, be granted less safety than our regional and rural cousins? Give me a break. I don't go around ramming my opinions down the throats of other motorist because they drive smaller (and less safe cars?) - that's their business. Not mine.

Posted by Redback, 7/01/2009 9:33:36 AM
Some diesel 4WDs have a smaller environmental impact than many conventional vehicles.
Posted by balance, 7/01/2009 10:25:29 AM
Those of us who own 4WDs are already paying for the privilege. Higher fuel (diesel), registration, insurance costs......

I don't think suburbia needs big cars, but don't kid yourself, small cars are as dangerous around school zones as the big ones.

Each vehicle has it's advantages. It's the driver, not the car that kills. Last time I looked, we were living in a democracy. You want a big car and are willing to pay the extortionate rates that go with it, then you should have one. Choice is a valuable part of our society. It seems that we are having it removed slowly from our grasp.

Obviously we are too irresponsible to think for ourselves. Best let governments do it for us...they have such a tremendous track record....

Posted by Rebecca Dance, 7/01/2009 10:44:11 AM
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